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josephine · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject:

Kanga wrote:

but i dont want my private space brought into anyone elses disagreements.

From what I know of the situation, this is exactly why the post was removed.

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martin · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: Removed post..

josephine wrote:

Kanga wrote:

but i dont want my private space brought into anyone elses disagreements.

From what I know of the situation, this is exactly why the post was removed.

Hi Josephine, and all...

I will PM Kanga about this so that it resolves her question. I was also concerned that the post was removed without warning or explanation to myself or Kanga.

I am happy to remove 'any' post and I have explained that if the administrators (or anyone) had approached me I would have understood the concern.

One thing that does amaze me is that we talk of UPR and then sometimes we interfere in an exchange when we dont need too. Surely the two people concerned in any debate need to find the solution between them.

cheerss

martin · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: 2 years...

and .... just to move the debate on..i took my A level exam today....

1. biological explanations of depression...

2. discuss psychological arguments against free will ...

3. explain using two psychological approaches why young people might prefer going to parties rather than staying in and watching television or reading books.

Thats the end of two years flipping hard work and I am feeling very pleased with myself. I am fascinated by Behaviourist theories and just might share my views about the problems of reinforcing a persons depression by giving them the reward of attention. Now 'that' will be controversial! ;o)

Changes · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject:

would love to hear your views Martin I do also admire the behavioral appraches they can be very useful for some. Perhaps you would like to start a thread about this would love to join in. Its ok to have differing views Martin

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martin · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: afraid...

thanks sue,

i have been thinking about trying to write a debate about this board and how it supports personal growth. to counter that arguement i wanted to consider if supporting a person in distress needs to have a boundary so that it is not an open ended and prolonged period. i suppost really its a cbt vs. humanistic debate.

i have finished studying now so when i have an hour i will try to share my perspective here.

thanks sue heart

Changes · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject:

Sounds like a productive debate counsellors love this old one Dancing

there is lots of study on this Martin and it continues on and on but would love to hear others views and would be good to hear views of on going clients to as they are often ignored (i know horrendous)

You take your time x

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katie · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject:

do you mean that someone is only allowed to be supported here for a set period of time?

martin · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: time...

sue....and i thought it was ground breaking research... lol

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and katie, not at all...

its about behaviourism, negative and positive rewards, conditioning theory etc. it's something i have just done in my A2 studies.

Changes · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject:

Quote:

do you mean that someone is only allowed to be supported here for a set period of time?

not personal to here Katie I think Martin is talking about in counselling practice.

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martin wrote:

i suppost really its a cbt vs. humanistic debate.

I think this would be a very interesting debate.

katie · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject:

Kirsty · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject:

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and .... just to move the debate on..i took my A level exam today....

1. biological explanations of depression...

I think this is gaining wider acceptance now ...I read an article a while back that a common cause of depression was undetected hypoglycemia and food intolerances .. yet people delve into themselves and their past very often for reasons when it could actually be biological in nature Anxious

I think its also strange really that the brain is an organ like any other in the body, we accept that the heart, kidneys, lungs etc can be affected by things like diet, allergies, biological influences but when the brain is affected and we get depression or anxiety, we are least ready to accept it and use psychological approaches. I'm not saying its always caused by biological malfunction, not at all, but its never brought into the assessment phase and people are put straight on anti cepressants and counselling when the real cause may be something different and gets ignored.

... sorry I am going right off topic now!!

To be honest, I havent got a clue what this debate is about .. but just want to say that you are all lovely caring people and I hope it gets resolved, whatever it is - speedily and to say diversity is great and often no one way is right and its good to be challenged by other ideas even if we come back to our own corner in the end!

All the best xx

martin · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: kirsty..

kirsty...what you said was great, i'm glad you shared your views and in psychology we learnt the diathesis-stress model of mental illness.

that's the biological predisposition towards mental illness combined with the stressors in our environment. that's a popular view of how mental illness develops.

thanks to everyone who shares a view here i really enjoy these exchanges because they generate so much food for thought.

martin · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: katie..

katie wrote:

do you mean that someone is only allowed to be supported here for a set period of time?

katie i want to reassure you that nothing i write would be personalised or directed at this board. you and i both draw great comfort at times from this environment so i'd be daft to spoil that eh! heart

Fran · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:14 am Post subject:

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i have been thinking about trying to write a debate about this board and how it supports personal growth. to counter that arguement i wanted to consider if supporting a person in distress needs to have a boundary so that it is not an open ended and prolonged period. i suppost really its a cbt vs. humanistic debate.

By all means have the debate but please keep it away from being personal to this board which supports people for as long as needed and rightly so. If it is directed at the board others will feel it is personal to them, as in a way it is if they come here for support.

Fran

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katie · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:47 am Post subject:

i agree fran. martin your post did make it seem personal to here as fran highlighted even if that wasn't intended. i do think this is all very interesting and understand why you would want to have this debate. under normal circumstances i wouldn't have a problem with it at all. after what happened in our personal spaces though i just find that it cuts a bit close to the bone now. i just wonder about the motivation behind your desire to debate this so much. i can't help but take it personally now because the original debate was personal. i know that when this all happened you felt very misunderstood and shut out and victimised. is there a part of you now hoping to prove a point in some way?

martin · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: debates...

i'm really shocked by your posts...wow!!!... but that must be because of the sensitivities i provoke in other people.

i have a very enquiring mind and LOVE to debate. there is no right or wrong in that for me..it's about people sharing a view. it enriches my life and counter perspectives give me the opportunity to learn.

I have no desire whatsoever to be 'right' my only desire in life is to increase my understanding and maybe along the way share that with other people.

does that enable you to see where i come from when i ask questions? its NEVER about provoking others i am wayyyyyyyy beyond that.

Changes · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:40 am Post subject:

I feel it has been decided that this debate be now kept unpersonnal . As this thread started personel and now is seeking to adapt into an open debate , I have decided to close this thread and open up a more relevant titled one Martin please advice me of your title.

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